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终于把《碧血》看完了。长篇大论有待整理,说点小感想先。
前面的剧情发展非常之纠结,但最后的结局令人大爱,虽然没有点明,但总是有柳暗花明的苗头,有爱有希望,很好! 如果说看前面还觉得不甚入戏,那么看最后一集彻底被俘虏了,被致远的眼神、表情俘虏了。sm baidu link 桔子.我是猫 09-02-06 04:06
Akazukin:
First time seeing someone liking the ending more than the beginning. Though I enjoy the screentime and the acting from the last episode, I was rather different from what I first preferred.
Tamaya:
As a Steven fan, I totally can see where she's coming from. She likes the ending because Steven owned the last scene with his outstanding performance. 前面的剧情发展非常之纠结,但最后的结局令人大爱,....... 如果说看前面还觉得不甚入戏,那么看最后一集彻底被俘虏了,被致远的眼神、表情俘虏了。The ending was bs to me, but I love the last 2 scenes because finally I got my belated big dose of Steven's acting. Like I said, the progression of the series distressed me, but the last 2 scenes captivated me. One major reason why our perspectives on the series differ so greatly is because our perspectives departed from two disparate points of view, from a Steven fan's pov and from Tavia fan's pov. You've no idea how very 'painful' it was for Steven fans to watch the whole series from beginning to the end: like how this Suet/Yuen fan wrote: "Do you how very painful my heart was at that moment to watch that scene when you wallowed in drunkenness (你自责、你内疚，你用酒精来麻痹你自己，你知道那个时候我有多心痛嘛，应该说你是自食其果吗？但如果你不是那么正直，也就不必那么痛苦了。)
Akazukin:
Our perspective did depart from two different points of view, as I start watching the series as a Tavia's fan and you start watching as a Steven's fan. Since Steven's fans didn't really enjoy the beginning and how the series progressed, it's only natural that they prefer the ending (which has more Steven) than the beginning, as compared to Tavia's fans who have enjoyed the series since the beginning.
However, I don't think our feelings for the ending differs that greatly. You guys love the last episode because we get to see full scale screentime of Steven showing his acting skill. I love the last episode for that too. And surely, the script has a part in allowing Steven to do that. But somehow, I feel it's still a rather choppy from the rest of the earlier episodes. I guess after all the Suet/Yuen heartbreak, I wanted the ending to have more happy scenes of them to make up for the sore feelings I have in all those episodes. But we are faced with further turbulence in their relationship. In the end, my heart couldn't feel resolved because I feel this dying thirst for their happy scenes.
I guess, I had more expectation for the ending because it is supposed to be a closure so everything should fall down perfectly in place in the end (ideally). The beginning is not happy is okay, because it's where the problem started. It's fine as long as it makes the punch. But I was hoping that the ending will not only make a punch, but also a closure, a resolved feeling, and a happy ending (especially after what Suet Yuen had to go through). Of course not everyone will hope for the same ending as I would.
Given that Hin died in episode 23, chances is that Steven will have more screentime to dominate onscreen however the story swings, whether it's on his relationship with Tavia or on his further personal character development. I was hoping they have more full scale of Stevia in episode 24-25 (personal character development wise and romance wise), but they didn't have much scene in episode 24. And episode 25 storyline feels a bit off to me, perhaps because they did everything within one episode.
The ending is okay, but definitely not the best I have seen from TVB. Let's just say the ending could have been better. But I'm glad that they didn't have the ending like Square Peg's.
Tamaya:
Yes, yes, yes to all that you have written.
But know this, Steven fans and Tavia fans not only departed from different pov origins but also traveled different journeys to the same destination. Whereas Tavia fans' journey was taken inside a luxurious Orient Express, whereby throughout the ride they wined and dined in a resplendent setting, passing through beautiful and interesting sites and sceneries, and accompanied with two good-looking, superior males to boot. But for Steven fans, their journey was more was like taken in a pioneer caravan traveling over wide stretches of barren and dangerous landscape; food and water were scarce as well as uplifting and beautiful sceneries, not to mention traveling discomfort and the occasional panic and anguish attacks.
So the mindsets of these two kinds of travelers naturally were different, to say the least, when they finally arrived at the same destination. So, replete with the goodness of life during their pampered journey, Tavia fans found the offerings of the destination lacking. Whereas, poor Steven fans made almost insane by their journey of angst that they were just grateful to finally reach the end of their journey in one piece. Go ask Yoyo, only a Steven fan newbie, but already inflicted with the onset of insanity that she had to roll off the wagon. Haha! So, having ‘suffered’ so much, the destination with its generous and ample offering of luscious Ji Yuen was more than like an oasis to them. So what if the ending was lacking and it was, it quenched their hunger and their thirst, and that’s that. Steven fans wanted everything, well most everything that you have so written, but we were just too weary to even demand more, our initial expectation and anticipation being already dashed by our harsh journey, we were just grateful to have some anything Steven. Of course, I can’t say for all Steven fans but my scenario holds true for most Steven fans, from reading their comments. What say you, Yoyo? And then there are the more reserved fans like strawberry67 and honeydaisy. :tricky:
And I have to retract what I said about wanting Ji Yuen to die, I really didn’t. I must be insane when I wrote that. Maybe still am.
honeydaisy:
Actually, I've been quiet on this topic because when I started watching SITS, I was neither a Tavia fan, nor a Steven fan. It was only after I started watching this series that I sat up and took notice of the both of them.
[..]I would consider myself a neutral observer because I started watching SITS without any expectations. So I simply let myself be carried by the storyline, without wanting or expecting a particular outcome. I enjoyed every step of the journey; I appreciated the dilemmas faced by Sing Suet, caught between duty/love/obligation, and I remember thinking this a lot: "Gosh, how in the world is she ever going to choose??" It was like an emotional tug-of-war: it seemed to me that for each touching scene between Ji Yuen & Sing Suet, there would be something equally emotional for Teng Hin & Sing Suet.
I think I can understand why they limited the Stevia moments, even to the last moment. The less you have of something you want, the more you yearn for it. In that way, I think the writers were being quite crafty indeed ... they drew it out to the fullest, made sure you really felt the pain and yearning. I have some minor issues with the way they handled the ending of SITS, but I didn't have any problems with the ending per se. I can't say that I analysed it very deeply, but I did feel like there was a resolution in the love story. The looks on their faces was enough for me. To me, this was the beginning of a happy ending. They finally found each other! Sing Suet's face, soft and forgiving in the light of the bonfire, told me that she still loves him and that she has forgiven him. Ji Yuen, tears and relief in his eyes, is choked up with emotion at having found his one true love who has finally forgiven him.
Naive? Over-simplified? Maybe! That's why I like these sort of open-ended endings. You can read it however you want! And of course, it gives the fans the opportunity to discuss it to death.
Akazukin:
Tamaya: Whereas Tavia fans' journey was taken inside a luxurious Orient Express[..]My turn to laugh out loud reading this. A very fitting description for the different journey we went through, although being a fussy passenger I am, I have to say the beautiful blissful sceneries are hard to come by in the journey and they are often very brief. It is mostly interesting sites, which often passed too fast when it came to let us even fully enjoy it, with the exception of few occasions.
honeydaisy: I did feel like there was a resolution in the love story.This is exactly how I interpret the ending too, and from Ji Yuen's tears I can feel he had gone through a lot searching for her and so there is a tint of accomplishment in his smile (my interpretation).
I guess you are right with the writer making people yearn more by giving less, because up til now, I still crave for their happy scenes. Somehow I feel there are not enough of their scenes even though they have considerably many as compared to some other series. But the heartbreaking scenes just make me crave for happy scenes and there is definitely not enough of happy scenes.
Tamaya:
honeydaisy: I think I can understand why they limited the Stevia moments, even to the last moment. [..]I disagree. But if it is as you said then the scriptwriters/director had greatly miscalculated the finicky fans' reactions. For it's also out of sight, out of mind. While Steven fans stayed put in Suet/Yuen camp, most Tavia fans didn’t stay around yearning for more Stevia moments. In fact, the dearth of Suet/Yuen’s scenes, sweet or otherwise, caused many former Stevia fans and Tavia fans to flock in droves into Suet/Hin camp, lured as they were by the latter greener pasture of bountiful sweet moments and screentime and their richer storyline.
Akazukin:
Actually, I think a lot of Tavia's fan got turned off by Steven's betrayal which was thrown to them at the very start of the series. And in some sense, they were introduced to Suet/Hin first with the heartwarming scenes of them in the very first episode. Making the illusion that Suet/Hin is the original pairing while Suet/Yuen was a sour past. That's why I think it could be more beneficial to Steven if they had started the first episode on their life in Tao village and ended with his betrayal at the end of the first episode. So audiences could be led smoothly to feel the deep lingering love Suet/Yuen are feeling. In fact, my rooting love towards Stevia in SITS is almost wholly based on their chemistry. But I can't deny that the lack of Stevia's sweet scenes makes a hole in my heart that make me yearn for more sweet scenes of them and to an extent can't accept that they don't have more scenes after the ending. There is a thirst unsatisfied here.
Tamaya:
That may be, for of course you’d know Tavia fans’ mindset better than I, but what I was getting at is that if the purpose of Suet/Yuen’s limited screentime was the scriptwriters’ attempt to heighten Stevia fans’ yearning, then overall it had failed, because instead of yearning for more former Stevia deserted in droves to Suet/Hin camp. A lot of Tavia fans may have skipped camp due more to Yuen’s initial betrayal but I think if an appropriate amount of screentime and a richer Suet/Yuen storyline were accorded them in the series, fans migration might have been stamped. Yearning certainly didn’t help. Respect your opinion that "had started the first episode on their life in Tao village and ended....." but disagree, an ample flashback screentime would have helped more.
Akazukin:
Yeah, we have touched on that different opinion back in SITS thread before. I agree that ample flashback screentime would probably make us understand why Ji Yuen, someone who seems to love Suet so much, could do something that put her safety at stake. But I'm not sure whether it can do much better in making Suet/Yuen fans out of the viewers. The thing, is most shippers to Suet/Hin camp did that as early as the beginning of the series. There is a 先入為主 feeling. In fact, I think one of the reason why the scriptwriter decided to have the series start like how it is is because they are afraid people are too hooked into Suet/Yuen to appreciate Suet/Hin. They wanted audiences to feel Sing Suet's dilemma in choosing between the two. It's okay that we have different opinions, otherwise, there would probably not much discussion and I do respect your opinion too.
I guess the yearning more by having less is only applicable to those that do love/root for Stevia in the series.
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欲语还休，有话说不出--第七集感动的一幕
第七集末感人的一幕，胜雪在村子里找寻她二叔的时候看见致远将缴获的盐分发给老百姓。致远回头，和胜雪四目相对，那一刻，两人心中是怎样的心情啊？肯定是很复杂。他们都有话想说，可是都说不出口。
此时的致远，心里还是很矛盾，他分不清什么是真正的黑与白。或许这世上除了黑与白之外，的确还有另外一种颜色--灰。他不停地拷问自己内心，究竟自己所做的是对还是错。他内心也许真的很希望胜雪能告诉他，究竟什么是对，什么是错，但他终究不能。因为他明白自己对胜雪造成的伤害，他不敢奢望胜雪能原谅他所做的一切，唯有自己承受一切。而此时的胜雪，心里也一定有很多问题想从致远那里得到答案。为什么他要这样做？为什么他所做的事会如此i矛盾？究竟他心里想的是什么？。。。太多太多的为什么了。然而她却没机会得到答案。胜雪刚刚要上前问清楚，致远一个转身离开了，留下了迷惑的她在原地。
欲语还休，有话说不出，那是如何地这么人啊！虽然他们都没有说出口，但他们心里想必在想，希望你能懂我！
看着致远那会说话的眼神，忧郁的背影，心就酸了。他把所有的一切都独自承担了，哪怕被胜雪误解，他也没有解释。唯有马仔，把致远如此复杂，细腻的内心感情演绎得如此到位，真是感动啊~~
reposted AF#1500
Akazukin Yeah, JY and SS do have too much to ask that they probably don't know where to start. I love their speechless expressions in the end of that episode though. Like I said before, I loved Steven's quick turns of expressions.
Lately, I have been rewatching SITS like you know right. And in episode 24, I found something that I didn't notice before. It was during the scene where Ji Yuen, Sing Suet, and Sing Suet's uncle were sitting in a tea stand outside the city, before overhearing people talk about a strange man and woman looking at the wall of the ancestor house To built. It was before the two cameos enter, if you pay attention to Steven, he was taking the bread from the plate to offer it to Tavia. It was such a short sweet moment. It was such a small detail that I missed it the first time I watched it. But I love how he really put details into his acting.
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